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Saturday, 31 May 2008

Home Front: Humbled home builders now facing reality
This change is not easy for builders. In a bust that has lasted three years, they have gone through phases: denial, blaming the media for messing with the heads of buyers, predicting bottom soon and laying off staff. Now a chastened industry has reached a new stage, openly acknowledging its mistakes..."We've effectively stolen from the future. The demand we should be having now we stole in 2005 and 2006." He said: "We're paying for the sins of our past right now." Are they ever. The builders, banks, sales staffs and land developers clearly see the sins now. They built too many homes, and they built them too big. They "pushed" people who had no business getting mortgages into homes. They bought too much land with too much borrowed money... industry joke went: If you can show your breath on a mirror, you can qualify..."We learned if you give people free money, they'll take it."  Respond to article and reader comments

Home Front: Humbled home builders now facing reality
By Jim Wasserman - This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
Friday, May 30, 2008
Story appeared in BUSINESS section, Page D1

When home builders ruled the earth earlier this decade, a customer had to be humble. You waited in line, paid to get on eligibility lists and endured lotteries to buy houses that might jump another $5,000 if you didn't sign now and use the builder's lender.

That was then, the old days: 2002 through 2005.

Now, customers are in control, holding back, waiting, often still doubting home builders' word that this is the best time to buy.

This change is not easy for builders. In a bust that has lasted three years, they have gone through phases: denial, blaming the media for messing with the heads of buyers, predicting bottom soon and laying off staff.

Now a chastened industry has reached a new stage, openly acknowledging its mistakes.

The new humility was on display Thursday during a Sacramento-area builder seminar by San Diego-based Sullivan Group Real Estate Advisors. In a spirit of straight talk with business people who spent $50 to hear it, president Tim Sullivan told the industry, "We've effectively stolen from the future. The demand we should be having now we stole in 2005 and 2006."

He said: "We're paying for the sins of our past right now."

Are they ever. The builders, banks, sales staffs and land developers clearly see the sins now. They built too many homes, and they built them too big. They "pushed" people who had no business getting mortgages into homes. They bought too much land with too much borrowed money.

They have seen colleagues laid off and big-name builders bare their finances in bankruptcy filings. There was even talk Thursday about the "new frugality," a "new austerity" in America.

Yes, an industry not known for timidity now has low expectations. In the Sacramento region this year, builders expect to sell only 5,500 to 6,000 houses, said Dean Wehrli, Sullivan's Sacramento-based vice president. That's half of what he said annual demand ought to be: 11,000 to 12,000 new houses a year, given population growth alone.

Wehrli calculated that during the excesses of the boom years Sacramento-area builders "stole" about 16,000 homes from today's demand. That's how far ahead of normal trend lines they got between 2002 and 2005 in El Dorado, Placer, Sacramento, Sutter, Yolo and Yuba counties, he said.

By Wehrli's calculations, it will take at least another "brutal, painful" year of wrenching sales declines to absorb the overproduction and bring the market back to normal demand.

Builders confronted more evidence of having gone too far when the Sullivan Group trotted out its foreclosure statistics. Many among the thousands of repossessions were homes that builders sold three years ago when an industry joke went: If you can show your breath on a mirror, you can qualify.

There also was talk about projections by the Federal Reserve that 150 U.S. banks – mostly smaller institutions that invested in real estate – are headed for failure. There was speculation that some of the nation's biggest publicly traded home builders may merge or file for bankruptcy.

Finally, came the better news, the suspicion that since Sacramento has experienced some of the sharpest housing pain in the nation, it's closer to equilibrium that most areas of California. It might be one more bad year, maybe less.

So what's been learned after all of this? And will those lessons endure "forever?" Sullivan asked.

Probably not that long.

"We've at least changed for a generation," said panelist Joseph Anfuso, president of Stockton-based Florsheim Homes. "We learned if you give people free money, they'll take it."
http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/975645.html
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desdemona5 at 5:45 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

Not to mention treating customers like crap

When we were touring models back in 2005, we dealt with some of the rudest, crassest, most snide "customer service" people. Back then, if you weren't ready to buy that day, you were a subhuman animal; to even talk to you was a waste of breath. We'll never forget how poorly we were treated back then, especially by one builder in particular, and we'll never buy a house from them. Ever.

17 out of 18 people found this comment helpful.

I love the lede graph of this story. Up here in Humboldt County, home builders have been complaining bitterly for years about what they perceive is county government's "slow-growth" policy. It has resulted in some ugly political battles; in most of these the voters here have had the good sense to reject the developers' candidates. It turns out those in county government whom the developers regard as sloths probably saved many a builder here from themselves, and financial ruin.

6 out of 6 people found this comment helpful.

bigdaveray at 7:24 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

The county government up in Humbolt county probably saved a lot of buyers a lot of trouble. The builders and lending companies set a lot of people up for financial ruin. I don`t feel any sorrow for either group. They were arrogant, over bearing and usually lied through their teeth to unsuspecting people. I didn`t get shafted by them but know plenty of people who did. I see the empty houses and the for sale signs and the , houses in foreclosure all over the place. We are paying for all that with a taxpayer bail out. I will never vote for a person with a background in developing or lending. The real estate agents are like used car dealers. I will keep what i have and hope the country has learned a lesson.

8 out of 8 people found this comment helpful.

mmike2885 at 7:52 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

Builders and Agents have learned squat! The housing market still has a great deal more room to fall. This is a wishful thinking pep talk. Many of these lenders and agents deserve to go to jail for hood winking and lying to borrowers. They should be fortunate and count their blessings that the State cannot commit to caring for the incarcerated population as it is.

4 out of 7 people found this comment helpful.

Normbc9 at 8:07 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

What goes around, comes around.

Time will tell if these builders are truly chastened. I really doubt it. The smell of money makes some get out of sorts.

4 out of 4 people found this comment helpful.

JJOC at 8:12 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

Reaping and Sowing

Yeah, you reap what you "sow" right? Or the other Biblical lesson of pride comes before the fall? Unfortnately builder's "sowing" effected more then their own business, overbuilding ruined many a community and the sprawl too many areas to count that can never be the same. Sacto Govt. leaders also are to blame, as our city and county areas don't look to promising and are going downhill. There's now an abundance of "Wouldn't want to live there" areas, due in large part to poor planning.

4 out of 4 people found this comment helpful.

LandParkRules at 8:14 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

Unless you work for HP or Intel - Folsom Sucks

Hey NNA what did you spend on gas this month? Must suck spending $500 in gas every month just to get into town. I admit I'm having a hard time with my 3 mile commute to work everyday....NOT. I don't even have to worry about that I-5 fix. No forclosures going on around my house. In this neighborhood people the level of people here don't get into property they can't afford. I don't have to worry about having "renters" living next to me to drive down my property value.

5 out of 9 people found this comment helpful.

LecherousVenom at 8:25 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

Wasserman.....

..Still carrying water for the RE industry. I love this line: "This change is not easy for builders. In a bust that has lasted three years, they have gone through phases: denial, blaming the media for messing with the heads of buyers, predicting bottom soon and laying off staff." Jim, is this the same three year bust you completely missed over the last three years? Do you READ your own "reporting?"

3 out of 6 people found this comment helpful.

camacha at 8:34 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

NNA

How did you feel about your precious Folsom when you had the two home invasions, the armed robberies and the people attacked on the streets this month. Are, do you not read the Folsom police reports? To the others in Folsom, I apologize for these comments. Folsom is a great citiy even though it is not completely crime free.

7 out of 8 people found this comment helpful.

thekurgan at 8:41 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

Folsom is nothing more than a strip mall filled with ex-bay area snobs with spoiled children and arrogant drivers. It will become an Elk Grove in another year or two. The only thing brisk about Folsom is the speed at which people drive through the red lights. Great place to throw your money away.

6 out of 8 people found this comment helpful.

desm at 8:45 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

Long way to go to hit bottom?

Let's get real here. The housing prices in most markets in Sacramento are selling for less than it costs to build. My home, if built today with same quality, will cost $330,000. The resale value is now at around $249,000 with my quarter of an acre. Low will never be low enough for some people, so it's all relative anyway. Yet, if I dare put my home up for sale for $330,000 (never mind adding the value of my quarter acre) I would be called greedy. Supply and demand can go both ways. Those of us who do not have to sell wont until we get the true value of what it would cost to replace the same property. Eventually, the sellers will again get their true value of their properties. Until then, I'm enjoying my beautiful home.

1 out of 5 people found this comment helpful.

truecitizen at 8:49 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

Maybe one day home builders will build houses that actually have a unique character as opposed to mindless cookie cutters. Perhaps they will even learn to appreciate and embrace the old fashioned notion of craftsmanship. Not likely, however, given our nations' regression to the lowest common denominator. "Stealing from the future" seems to be the business model of todays' political, cultural, and industry 'leaders'.

5 out of 5 people found this comment helpful.

low_ball_88 at 9:22 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

desm..you just don't get it

it really doesn't matter what it costs to rebuild your house. it matters if income can support the price and market conditions. you will never sell your house if you think you could get replacment cost out of it. If you hire a contractor to build a house, you are gonna get reemed! The big home builders could do it for way less than you and I can since they are doing mass production. Ever heard of investment capitalist taking one company and breaking it up into several and selling it each at huge profits. But if they try the sell it as a whole, no way can they get that much. Same idea, man. Can't compare production vs. individuals rebuilding on their own.

2 out of 2 people found this comment helpful.

brissy67 at 9:27 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

Builders...

Our home, built in 2004 is literally fally apart. We have called our builder for "warranty service" and they are fighting tooth and nail NOT to fix stuff they should be fixing, ie. faulty windows with broken seals/condensation, front door doesn't close properly due to gaps, roof leaks, HVAC has issues, electrical problems, plumbing leaks, the list goes on and on. One person in their office told me they were not fixing stuff due to the housing downturn. Funny enough, when we bought it we were promised "exceptional craftmanship and warranty service". Craftmanship?? What a joke. These homes were not cheap either, they were happy enough to take our $$ back then - I say let 'em all go bankrupt, they are no good to me now - they won't fix anything anyway.

3 out of 3 people found this comment helpful.

rostoli at 9:33 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me folks, but there is nothing wrong with most renters. I have seen PLENTY of owned homes with 4-5 broken down cars parked in front of them , trash everywhere, overgrown grass and weeds, etc. Some owners are slobs too, not just the few renters that do not care for the property they are living in. I have seen plenty of renters care for thier homes and lawns as if they are thier own, which-technically they are-as long as they are paying the rent. Stop being so judgemental, do not blame the neighborhood downfall on renters. It is the owners walking away and leaving the houses empty and trashed because they can no longer afford it................

4 out of 4 people found this comment helpful.

desm at 9:38 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

low_ball_88

Sure, the big home builders can do it for less, but not with the same quality. Just read the comment from brissy67. My mother-in-law just bought a 10 year old bankowned property in a nice area in Cameron Park. The quality of workmanship was so bad she had to replace all 22 windows, all bathroom tile, flooring and some plumbing. Not all of us have to settle for a home full of laminate, fiberglass and plastic.

1 out of 3 people found this comment helpful.

Rhys01 at 9:42 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

Missing the Underlying Cause

The Sullivan Group talked about all the symptoms but not the underlying reason for the excessive building and shoddy construction. It is the fact that many of the home builders became publicly traded companies and like the rest of the stock market their business model was driven by quarterly reports and not market conditions, or long term health of the companies. Until this country can start taking the long view, it will constantly be the victim of these economic bubbles, if not in housing then in some other sector.

3 out of 3 people found this comment helpful.

lindasac at 9:47 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

renters vs owners

I agree with rostoli, I've seen renters take better care of the yards and homes than owners. Owned a house for 27 yrs, and the renter next door took better care of the house than all the owners on the street. I rent now (can walk to work), no I-5 problem for me or commute hassles like NNA, and I treat my rental as if I owned the place.

1 out of 1 people found this comment helpful.

brtlmj at 9:59 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

"Yet, if I dare put my home up for sale for $330,000 (never mind adding the value of my quarter acre) I would be called greedy." Indeed. If you put an used car for sale for a price of a new one, you would be called greedy, too.

1 out of 1 people found this comment helpful.

GKH54 at 10:30 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

KingsareBAD should be wary....

So your new Tahoe was bought with my tax dollars, eh? And your gas is paid for by same, eh? Be wary, unwise one. Pride comes before a fall and it's painfully obvious that you are going through your so-called "life" with blinders on. You apparently don't talk in terms of someone who is watching out for the "trickle down effect." At some point, your Tahoe will have to go as will your perks. What will you have to say then? Oh, sure...that day hasn't come...yet. Until it does, you will stride with your nose in the air, thumbing it at those of us that pay your way. But when we are no longer able to pay your way, you will become pretty much like the rest of us. Only, we will have the enviable "luxury" of being able to thumb our noses at you as we pass you on the corner with your cardboard sign. You should pay more attention to the signs around you now and express a little humility and thanks for what you have now and not hold it over our heads.

5 out of 7 people found this comment helpful.

desm at 11:15 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

brtlmj

My point is, if you built my home with the same quality it would cost $330,000 plus the quarter acre at $149,000, plus permits at $50,000. Now the brand new home would need to sell at $529,000. So at $330,000 I am would not be asking for a new car price.

0 out of 2 people found this comment helpful.

PhoenixEagle at 11:42 AM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

desm & KingsareBad

should be left alone to enjoy living in Disney Land. Allow them continue to believe that a used and overpriced house will one day be worth what was paid for it. Let them continue to believe that the taxpayers are STUPID enough to continue paying for new expensive gas guzzlers AND the gas too. ENJOY DISNEY LAND WHILE YOU ARE STILL IN IT.

1 out of 3 people found this comment helpful.

lurch394 at 12:00 PM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

It's a weird day

I agree with PhoenixEagle and bigdaveray. While houses traditionally go up in value, we are in strange times. And while desm has some points about costs, that should tell us why houses aren't being built: supply and demand. We have more houses than buyers, so it's not profitable even for Lennar, Beazer, et al. to build. If desm really likes his/her house, the best plan is to just stay in it. Time will take care of any losses in value. Long term, he/she will be fine. And ignore KingsAreBad: it's obviously NNA. His only Tahoe is his avatar on his computer fantasy game. Besides, Folsom won't be Elk Grove. It has two prison, and given CCPOA's luck at cranking CO salaries, the smart guards will buy foreclosed Folsom houses and then rent them out. Yes, it will be Elk Grove with penitentiaries.

2 out of 2 people found this comment helpful.

wordone at 1:01 PM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

KingsAreBad

KingsareBad - Home prices have gone down 23% in Folsom in the last 3 years. So much for your precious Folsom.

1 out of 2 people found this comment helpful.

nelske at 1:02 PM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

We can blame our City Councils and Planning Commissions for approving anything that came in front of them. They were desperate for anything the developers wanted to build. Now we have a ton of foreclosures and many substandard housing developments. I think saying it is going to turn around in a year is very optimistic. Everything I have read says it is going to be a lot longer.

1 out of 1 people found this comment helpful.

iRule at 2:23 PM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

Folsom rules, Land Park drools. Trashy areas like Land Park, midtown, EG, east sac, south sac, etc, will never rebound. Homes are selling like crazy in Folsom. You idiots are jealous!!!....LOL...

1 out of 4 people found this comment helpful.

brtlmj at 2:51 PM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

desm, If your numbers are even remotely correct, then your 0.25 acre certainly is not worth what you think it is worth... Anyway, my point is: material things thing generally depreciate. Trying to value a home using its replacement value makes as much sense as trying to do the same thing with a used car.

1 out of 1 people found this comment helpful.

desm at 3:34 PM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

brtlmj

O.K., I get it. So in another 10 years my home on a quarter acre will be worth $25.

0 out of 2 people found this comment helpful.

californiaisbroken at 4:02 PM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

 

They say their paying for their sins. So do you think they've learned? Do you think when the dollars signs start to flash in their eyes again they will think about the times they are experiencing now? No they won't. They will make people stand in lines, jack up prices $5000.00 every week and ring every cent they can out of the consumer. These are the kind of people that they only time they ask for forgiveness is when they get caught. They have no conscious. They feel no remorse. Oh I take that back they feel remorse because the gravey train came to a screaching hault.

2 out of 2 people found this comment helpful.

pavoniius at 4:12 PM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

Dont forget the local politicians who approved this mess

Its easy to put all the blame on greedy developers, but a big part of the problem was complacent, incompetent politicians. Every new home built during the bubble was approved by local "leaders" more concerned with getting new developer fee's than building quality new communities or improving existing neighborhoods. Most of these politicians got significant campaign funding from developers, and many are still receiving campaign funds, "consulting jobs" and all sorts of corrupt goodies for letting cheaply made and poorly designed projects pass. I don't believe that anything has changed. Kevin Johnson got his largest and earliest contributions from big local developers. Heather Fargo has accepted developer money for years. Is really so hard to see the connection between these "donations" and the shoddy housing our leaders keep approving?

2 out of 2 people found this comment helpful.

kilzalone at 8:34 PM PST Friday, May 30, 2008 said:

The fate of builders

Wow, look at all the bad feelings toward builders. I guess I'm not the only one. Maybe, if you're a builder, and I hope there are builders reading this, you should stop a minute and think. "Where am I going after a lifetime of building shoddy homes and charging too much for them?" If there's a God, and I'm pretty sure there is one, where does one go after a lifetime of stealing from others? So here's to you builders...if you want to repent from your evil ways, build some quality homes and sell them for an amount people can afford. It's that easy.

1 out of 1 people found this comment helpful.

JanetAhmad at 12:50 PM PST Saturday, May 31, 2008 said:

True Confessions of a Builder

Terrific comment kilzalone: "Wow, look at all the bad feelings toward builders… I hope there are builders reading this,... where does one go after a lifetime of stealing from others? So here's to you builders...if you want to repent from your evil ways, build some quality homes and sell them for an amount people can afford. Reporter Jim Wasserman: They "pushed" people who had no business getting mortgages into homes...."We learned if you give people free money, they'll take it." Thanks, the public needed to know. Janet Ahmad, President Home Owners for Better Building - HOBB.org

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