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Comments: The Bob Perry House Without a Warranty
Saturday, 28 March 2009

Comments on:
Did Builder's Clout Trap Couple In Dream Home?

T Winston (Churchhill)

T Winston (Churchhill) wrote:

Just goes to show the lack of integrity the conservative movement has,
The builder is part of Bush's (..No dollar left behind)...There are some really honest people from
Texas,there just not in the Oil, cattle and etc..
What a disgusting display of ruthless power.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:31:33 PM

 
john mcclurg (opa)

john mcclurg (opa) wrote:

Folks--the comment page is about the article not about arguing your individual prejudices with each other. It is not all about YOU. I think these people got a truly raw deal. The builder has spent more in legal fees than it would have cost him to give these people a new house built on good foundations. Bravo to these plaintiffs who apparently are not going to go quietly. Razzberries to the builder whose sense of entitlement dwarfs his humanity.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:30:43 PM

 
Jack Maxwell (Jackmax)

Jack Maxwell (Jackmax) wrote:

One of the 8 institutional guarantees of democracy is the right of political leaders to compete for support and votes. Another is the responsiveness of state institutions. Political support that leads to a response like this from the bought-off Texas Supreme Court, contributes to the further deterioration of our republic’s foundation—one that is beginning to resemble that of the Dahl’s Perry-built home. Perhaps the exposure of this shameful episode will help initiate the reform needed to keep it from happening again. The home-building industry has contributed to the current financial crisis because of the greed, usury, avarice (and "clout") of builders like Perry. Corruption like this used to be relegated to third-world countries. What happened, America?

Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:24:17 PM

 
Sarah Cluster (brianeclus)

Sarah Cluster (brianeclus) wrote:

There were stories abounding of the legal twistings that Bush and company did that "earmarked" legislation concerning scientific research, environmental issues, privacy issues ... EVERYTHING - and did so in ways that looked like they were wrapping themselves in the constitution. And then they had the Supreme Court so conveniently made up of these "Constitutional" judges. My statements are not backed up with enough facts because of my own brain's lacking in being able to recount the names and facts but I read many many well researched stories of this having gone on and it having made marks on our society for years to come. And this story sounds sorely like another one of them. Texas legislation and legislators should be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Short of what I heard recently about Virginia and its execution laws, I think perhaps Texas is 2nd in its executions and I for one find that even more abhorrent resting on the back of such an obviously tainted legislature. Thanks to Beekersavant for the facegroup coup. Bottom line Gockomo has it right when it comes to each of us and our own personal integrity and the raising of our consciousness as a society that might survive.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:08:40 PM

 
Sarah Cluster (brianeclus)

Sarah Cluster (brianeclus) wrote:

What a relevant story. I appreciate BillyFish's comments about the soil and his analogy about tainted food I find valid. He is NOT coming off 1 sided and just adds some validity to any intelligence there might have been in this corrupt story. BUT that is what this story reeks of. Corruption. To Swenger, Aks comments are not "gross and far-sweeping generalizations which you often see in the NPR comments. It is what you would expect from CNN viewers, listeners." You as a "corporation" only heard that in her comment and failed to read what she was especially commenting on. The fact that the Texas Supreme Court which so obviously from the statements, a recipient of Perry money, would overturn many lower courts' decisions to rule in Perry's favor. I mean the story referred to Perry being worth millions ... a $800,000.00 judgement for him to pay to the homeowners should not have been defeated. He is a corporate fat cat by all accounts and even more so if he has been able to change legislation per future homeowner's and their dilemmas with builders in that area. This story reeks of the law changing that the Bush Administration is horribly responsible for. They changed things on the books that will take years and years to undo.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:05:30 PM

 
Glenn Phillips (cody999)

Glenn Phillips (cody999) wrote:

I would line to know if i can contribute to the Cull's legal fund. They have been truly screwed by the court in Texas. I would like to find out if they have a web site I can contribute too.

Glenn Phillips

Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:00:35 PM

 
C Vigneron (laager)

C Vigneron (laager) wrote:

This is a story that makes me miss Molly Ivans.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:33:57 PM

 
MaryLou Gale (MLGale)

MaryLou Gale (MLGale) wrote:

Anyone Texan who buys a home from Perry Homes should have their head examined.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:30:27 PM

 
Lois Murphy (bubbabelle)

Lois Murphy (bubbabelle) wrote:

With as much money Perry Homes and Bob Perry make in a year from home sales, it seems he could absorb the cost of rebuilding or paying out the binding arbitration fee. Shameful behavior from that old man.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:27:52 PM

 
John Fabie (hup1)

John Fabie (hup1) wrote:

Why not just give Texas back to Mexico?

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:53:37 PM

 
Blake Southwood (MartianAstronaut)

Blake Southwood (MartianAstronaut) wrote:

Texas is no longer part of America.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:40:08 PM

 
Steven Fair (cowboydem)

Steven Fair (cowboydem) wrote:

What really bothers me is that the Perry Homes (Rick Perry) could have made good with the Cull's for a lot less than they spent on lawyers. What were Perry Homes trying to prove, that they could build substandard homes any time they wanted?

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:32:44 PM

 
CW Private (Pvt_Douglas)

CW Private (Pvt_Douglas) wrote:

If a defense fund is set up for for the Culls, I am willing to make a contribution even though I make only a little above minimum wage. I am one of those people who loves making authority accountable.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:23:46 PM

 
The Thinker (tekguy)

The Thinker (tekguy) wrote:

With all due respects robin boren you don't know what the hell you are talking about. If arbitration and all of the courts below the corrupt state supreme court agreed that the figure was valid then it should have been paid.

A builder is responsible for making sure the people who are sub contractors know their jobs, including what kind of soil and drainage a building lot has before putting down a foundation. Then if there is a problem the owners should be told what is required and any additional expense is needed.

I've been the building chairperson for a $500,000 addition to our church and we've also built a home a few years ago. We had a survey which told us the drainage and elevation the house should sit on the lot, The back of our lot is considered wetlands.

This builder didn't do their job properly, the abrition found the builder at fault, so did the courts.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:17:10 PM

 
Aus Tex (Gockomo)

Aus Tex (Gockomo) wrote:

It is so ironic to me that so much is made of Tort reform...specifically by the GOP. It seems to me the only way to get justice for any issue is to have friends in high places. If you don't have at least a million dollars and tons of time on your hands, you're basically screwed...whether it's a problem with your home, your health, whatever. All we can do is take a good look at ourselves and insure we are behaving with integrity. It's clear that many people when given the opportunity to take advantage of any system will look out for #1. It is time for us all to raise our consciousness and behave well towards our fellow wo/man. Maybe it will catch on....

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:12:53 PM

 
The Thinker (tekguy)

The Thinker (tekguy) wrote:

I lived in Texas once for 5 weeks. That was enough for a lifetime. Had 2 rifles stolen from my apartment by the manager who had a pass key. No forced entry. The police would do nothing.

Had a man chase me down a freeway pointing a gun at me.

Heard on the news one day a man was stabbed in the back standing on the street waiting for someone. As he feel his attacker said "sorry I thought you were someone else."

Texas is rednecks, oil mentality and money. They used to be more progressive before Republicans ran everything. Now you have people such as Tom Delay, and John Cornyn from Texas. If these people represent their values I don't want any part of them.

Texas also executes the most prisoners of any state. Some menatality retarded and others that had inept counsel.

The republican governor was attempting to fast track 8 dirty coal fired power plants a few years ago.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:05:04 PM

 
Douglas Laurora (Beekersavant)

Douglas Laurora (Beekersavant) wrote:

Join the Facebook Group- "Don't Buy a Perry Home" and link it to everyone you know. Let's help the people of Texas make informed home buying decisions.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:03:21 PM

 
robin boren (bosco1)

robin boren (bosco1) wrote:

There is no way that the builder is responsible for this tragic story. The land was never his, the land was in a developed area. the soil tests were all ready completed by the developer. the details of those perk test were submitted to slab engineer to draw up the plans for the foundation on that particular lot.those plans are the specs of what any builder would go by. once the builder builds that slab to the specs, the engineer comes out and approves the job before concrete is poured. there would be no reason at all for a builder to even think about doing any independant tests.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:02:48 PM

 
Sue McCoy (Swenger)

Sue McCoy (Swenger) wrote:

@Anne: my husband and I own a very small company, and under the articles which were used to create it, we are considered a 'corporation'. And a great deal of the 'less regulation' began under the Clinton Admin. I am not a supporter of Bush & Co. Admin., however, I am tired of gross and far-sweeping generalizations which I often see in the NPR comments. It is what I would expect from CNN viewers, listeners.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:56:23 AM

 
Blake Southwood (MartianAstronaut)

Blake Southwood (MartianAstronaut) wrote:

Texas is no longer part of America.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:40:08 PM

 
Steven Fair (cowboydem)

Steven Fair (cowboydem) wrote:

What really bothers me is that the Perry Homes (Rick Perry) could have made good with the Cull's for a lot less than they spent on lawyers. What were Perry Homes trying to prove, that they could build substandard homes any time they wanted?

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:32:44 PM

 
CW Private (Pvt_Douglas)

CW Private (Pvt_Douglas) wrote:

If a defense fund is set up for for the Culls, I am willing to make a contribution even though I make only a little above minimum wage. I am one of those people who loves making authority accountable.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:23:46 PM

 
The Thinker (tekguy)

The Thinker (tekguy) wrote:

With all due respects robin boren you don't know what the hell you are talking about. If arbitration and all of the courts below the corrupt state supreme court agreed that the figure was valid then it should have been paid.

A builder is responsible for making sure the people who are sub contractors know their jobs, including what kind of soil and drainage a building lot has before putting down a foundation. Then if there is a problem the owners should be told what is required and any additional expense is needed.

I've been the building chairperson for a $500,000 addition to our church and we've also built a home a few years ago. We had a survey which told us the drainage and elevation the house should sit on the lot, The back of our lot is considered wetlands.

This builder didn't do their job properly, the abrition found the builder at fault, so did the courts.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:17:10 PM

 
Aus Tex (Gockomo)

Aus Tex (Gockomo) wrote:

It is so ironic to me that so much is made of Tort reform...specifically by the GOP. It seems to me the only way to get justice for any issue is to have friends in high places. If you don't have at least a million dollars and tons of time on your hands, you're basically screwed...whether it's a problem with your home, your health, whatever. All we can do is take a good look at ourselves and insure we are behaving with integrity. It's clear that many people when given the opportunity to take advantage of any system will look out for #1. It is time for us all to raise our consciousness and behave well towards our fellow wo/man. Maybe it will catch on....

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:12:53 PM

 
The Thinker (tekguy)

The Thinker (tekguy) wrote:

I lived in Texas once for 5 weeks. That was enough for a lifetime. Had 2 rifles stolen from my apartment by the manager who had a pass key. No forced entry. The police would do nothing.

Had a man chase me down a freeway pointing a gun at me.

Heard on the news one day a man was stabbed in the back standing on the street waiting for someone. As he feel his attacker said "sorry I thought you were someone else."

Texas is rednecks, oil mentality and money. They used to be more progressive before Republicans ran everything. Now you have people such as Tom Delay, and John Cornyn from Texas. If these people represent their values I don't want any part of them.

Texas also executes the most prisoners of any state. Some menatality retarded and others that had inept counsel.

The republican governor was attempting to fast track 8 dirty coal fired power plants a few years ago.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:05:04 PM

 
Douglas Laurora (Beekersavant)

Douglas Laurora (Beekersavant) wrote:

Join the Facebook Group- "Don't Buy a Perry Home" and link it to everyone you know. Let's help the people of Texas make informed home buying decisions.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:03:21 PM

 
robin boren (bosco1)

robin boren (bosco1) wrote:

There is no way that the builder is responsible for this tragic story. The land was never his, the land was in a developed area. the soil tests were all ready completed by the developer. the details of those perk test were submitted to slab engineer to draw up the plans for the foundation on that particular lot.those plans are the specs of what any builder would go by. once the builder builds that slab to the specs, the engineer comes out and approves the job before concrete is poured. there would be no reason at all for a builder to even think about doing any independant tests.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:02:48 PM

 
Sue McCoy (Swenger)

Sue McCoy (Swenger) wrote:

@Anne: my husband and I own a very small company, and under the articles which were used to create it, we are considered a 'corporation'. And a great deal of the 'less regulation' began under the Clinton Admin. I am not a supporter of Bush & Co. Admin., however, I am tired of gross and far-sweeping generalizations which I often see in the NPR comments. It is what I would expect from CNN viewers, listeners.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:56:23 AM

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Anne Salamon (aks)

Anne Salamon (aks) wrote:

This is an example of the corporate greed that blossomed on a national level under the Bush administration doctrine of Free Market/no government interference (i.e. less regulation). It was this attitude & lack of oversight as well as tolerance of special financial bullies that contributed to a corrupt Republican White House. Republicans in Texas seem to feel that it's alright to take advantage of the little guy and to spout lies ("Swiftboat Veterans for Truth") as long as they take the moral high road and wrap themselves in the American flag. That the Texas Supreme Court, recipients of Perry money, would overturn many lower courts' decisions to rule in Perry's favor makes me ill. How many other people, without this couple's resources, have been denied justice at the hands of corrupt wealthy power brokers?

Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:30:22 AM

 
Sue McCoy (Swenger)

Sue McCoy (Swenger) wrote:

Wow! And I thought Indiana (being Repub. controlled) had it bad.
If the segment was correct and thoroughly researched, then the homebuyers in Texas truly have my sympathy.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:21:54 AM

 
Marsha Abelman (MarshaMarsha)

Marsha Abelman (MarshaMarsha) wrote:

I can't help but remember comments from Texas relatives about the "corrupt politics in Chicago..." Throwing stones is such a dangerous hobby!

Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:08:54 AM

 
Sean Lawler (Seanus)

Sean Lawler (Seanus) wrote:

And with regard to structural damage being commonplace among Dallas homes; I wouldn't defend Bob Perry. If this was something present in so many homes then A) you don't live in Texas b/c it's a horrible place anyway or B) Bob Perry drills down to bedrock to support the foundation as any honest home-builder would. But I'm sure the house that Bush bought is perfectly secure. Because while in office Bush espoused political initiatives that were favorable to the cronyism of large corporations.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:02:11 AM

 
Sean Lawler (Seanus)

Sean Lawler (Seanus) wrote:

I am not surprised that Bush took campaign money from such an aweful corporation. By the way, when is the International Criminal Court going to try the bush administration for crimes against humanity?

Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:53:54 AM

 
robin boren (bosco1)

robin boren (bosco1) wrote:

Although this is a tragic story, It is not the rule in texas. unfortunately if you own a home in dallas you will have issues with foundations.
there ground is very unstable due to the clay which will expand when wet and contract when dry causing an unstable enviroment for a slab foundation. we do as much as we can to correct the issues.
drill piers, post tension cables etc. however most homeowners in dallas area understand that there is maintenace required daily in order to keep there foundation from failing. that is, they must water there foundation in order for the clay to stay wet . you must keep it expanded so minimal damage will occur . myself,being a builder I do stress this fact.

btw the majority home buyers complaints with the trcc are not structurally related. they are more on the lines of paint colors or stone/brick selections that most have chosen themselves. .. and then they change their minds and expect the builder to foot the bill for replacing those things. as a pure custom home builder I want the homeowner on sight as much as possible. so they can monitor and make changes throughout the building stages. seems to work out just fine.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:50:16 AM

 
Martha Crotty (Doodle)

Martha Crotty (Doodle) wrote:

Wouldn't it be interesting if our ex-president's new house has the same
kind of problems?

Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:38:25 AM

 
Tamara Sanchez (zookeeper)

Tamara Sanchez (zookeeper) wrote:

Tekguy: There are RATS & idiots everywhere. Texas & Illinois DO NOT have the monopoly on corruption & dirty doin's in this nation. Where is it that YOU live? In paradise, under some rock? Poke your nose out once in a while & look at what's immediately around yourself. Everyone has dirty laundry. I tell ya, RATS are everywhere!

RCM: I take offense with your comment! How dare you bring Puerto RICO, (that;s how it's spelled, by the way...) into THIS discussion. Look at a map, once in a while. But my comment is directed at you alluding to Puerto Rico as some already hostile foreign nation to be traded for Texas, also an already foreign hostile nation. The political situation in the territory of PR has NADA to do with lousy contractors in the state of Tx.
AND..the Bush duo has NOTHING TO DO with this story! (I'm not a Bush family fan, by the way. They just have NOTHING to do with this story!)

Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:19:33 AM

 
William Dennison (dennisonwj)

William Dennison (dennisonwj) wrote:

I had a similar problem as this, to not the same extent however with Ryan Homes in Maryland. Mostly, the local legislature supported the Developer (Moxley Development), and the Builder (Ryan Homes) to a level of utter corruption. This home was in Columbia, Maryland, a pre-planned mini-metropolis type area for the middle class. Essentially, the county granted every possible variance (arbitrarily with no support) to the developer/builder. Their decisions ALWAYS stood in court regardless of countless ordnances broken. We also hired professional engineers to testify that the proposed development would be structurally unsafe. The builders/developers did not even bother to bring professional engineers forward to refute ours, they did not have to; they had already won. It was sickening to me to see our system of laws and ordnances utterly tossed aside. It made me angry when I realized that the majority of our legislators in Maryland are on the payroll of developers and builders. How are we to change this, unless you have money, that breeds corruption, your chances of making a difference in politics is slim to none. We seem to be heading in the wrong direction, revolution may be the only answer.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:52:47 AM

 
Eileen Sullivan (Rufus31)

Eileen Sullivan (Rufus31) wrote:

BillyFish blames the homebuyers for not having checked the suitability of their land for building. I would think that, even in Texas, there are building codes whereby the soil is tested before a permit for construction is issued. The onus of responsiblity in obtaining that permit is on the builder. That's how we do things in Massachusetts. When the judiciary is beholden to interests that keep them on the bench it is suspect for tyranny. And, besides, winning a judgment in the courts seldom results in actually getting restitution..in the end, it's just a piece of paper.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:40:32 AM

 
James Erdman (landscapelover)

James Erdman (landscapelover) wrote:

"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Those words from 19th century English historian Lord Acton came immediately to mind when I heard this revelation of builder-magnate and his lawyer. I then found this quote of Acton's even more to the point: "Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice." I thank NPR for having the courage to expose the sociopaths who, to the very top, rule Texas. Texas, the Lone Star State shows how far that star has lost its luster.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:22:52 AM

 
Kathryn Cole (kathrynyo)

Kathryn Cole (kathrynyo) wrote:

As the recession tightens, the wealthy and powerful are circling their wagons to protect their wealth and power. This is to be expected. But it is a scandal that our elected representatives, whether local, state, or national, are helping them, to the detriment of the public who elected them. This is the one barrier to my being hopeful about our democracy, that Big Business literally buys legislation.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:16:29 AM

 
margarita maldonado (marita)

margarita maldonado (marita) wrote:

My parents are the second owners of a custom built home that they've lived in now for 40 plus years. It's solid as a rock. Of course, it's built on caliche and isn't cookie cutter construction like the homes they build out here (Texas) nowadays. Builders buy lots out here, and they try and squeeze as many homes into them as possible, as fast as possible. They don't care. AND they bury all the construction waste in the yards. Builders got cheap, easy loans like all of the rest of the country. Why would anyone think they would be scrupulous about what they did with the money?

Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:05:06 AM

 
Shawn Allen (gonzo3d)

Shawn Allen (gonzo3d) wrote:

The builder isn't responsible for his structure?
If a chef cooks a meal and the food kills the client, I believe the law will find the chef IS responsible. Food is a apple/orange analogy anyway.

You pay me to build you a structure, and that structure starts to collapes within 6 months, and I am not responsible.. Hm. I may be in the wrong business!

What a country! Viva los Americanos!

Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:03:43 AM

 
beverly scarbrough (cobweb)

beverly scarbrough (cobweb) wrote:

One more shameful example how Money and power are abused. How that builder lives with himself is beyond me.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:40:53 AM

 
Francis Catania (Penang1970)

Francis Catania (Penang1970) wrote:

We have been considering moving to Texas for retirement but this story gives us serious reservations about building a retirement home there.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:32:51 AM

 
Richard Mason (RCM)

Richard Mason (RCM) wrote:

Zeff is right. Texas is no place for Americans. We should trade them for Puerto Rica and treat them as a hostile foreign nation. After giving us two George Bushes they are definitely hostile!

Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:56:25 AM

 
John Jacobs (Zeff)

John Jacobs (Zeff) wrote:

Just another fine example of why I will not live in Texas again.

Seems the Republic never fully joined the Union, and I've met many Texans who are proud of that fact.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:15:24 AM

 
William Buchman (BillyFish)

William Buchman (BillyFish) wrote:

While this seems like a miscarriage of justice, the engineer in me cries out that I have not heard the whole story. Someone buys a lot and tells someone else to build upon it. They do so. Who's duty is it to check the soil mechanics to see if the lot is suitable for construction? How was that specified in the contract?

True, the builder is more knowledgeable, but the Culls really wanted that home built. Although it may not be a good analogy, if you buy tainted food and hire an expert chef to cook it, is it the chef's responsibility to determine whether the food is indeed wholesome? While many people hire inspectors before they buy an existing home, should they not be willing to hire someone to determine the suitability of the lot before going to the expense of construction?

From the description presented by NPR, the best possible construction would not have prevented the home from failing.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:02:25 AM

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The Thinker (tekguy)

The Thinker (tekguy) wrote:

The old saying death and taxes pales in comparison to corrupt politicans in Texas and Chicago. No matter the party.

Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:12:38 AM

 
FR Thompson (RandyT)

FR Thompson (RandyT) wrote:

Dear USA, this is the work of the Texas Republican Party. Perry owns them all. Including all the Republican judges.

 
 
 

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Tips for a Better Built Home and to Protect Your Investment

Drum Major Institute
for Public Policy

Tort Deform
Report Your Arbitration Experience

Homebuilding Texas Style
And the walls came
tumblin' down

 Texas Homebuilder
Bob Perry Political Contributions

  The Agency Bob Perry Built
 TRCC Connection News
Tort Reform

NPR Interview - Perry's
Political influence movement.
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Texas Homebuyers
Fight for Rights

TRCC Abolish or Fix
or Pass Home Lemon Law
or
Homebuyers Bill of Rights

POLICYHOLDERS OF AMERICA POLL
82% would not vote back in office any legislator, regardless of party, that is soft on bad homebuilders?

REWARD
MOST WANTED

ARIZONA REGISTRAR OF CONTRACTORS
Have you seen any of these individuals

Pulte Homeowner Survey
Warranty & Mortgage Experience
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Tort Reform Feature
Texas Monthly
 Hurt? Injured? Need a Lawyer? Too Bad!

Special Money Report
Big Money and Shoddy Construction:Texas Home Buyers Left Out in the Cold
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Read Report: Big Money…
Home Builder Money Source of Influence

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