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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2008, 03:57:53 pm »

I can post. I find it easier to post to this website than the others. There was a while back when I was having trouble (e.g., "you're spamming" messages), but we (me and some others) reported it and it was fixed. NO problems recently. I don't know of another gripe site that has as much posting as this one.

"One would think it would call attention to how a poorly regulated  industry or largely unregulated with only a pretense of guidelines can be harmful to all, even to the industry itself." YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!

BTW, congrats on your posting to HADD.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2008, 05:21:27 pm »

Some people have figured out builder defects are tied directly to the same factors that created the mortgage crisis. One would think it would call attention to how a poorly regulated  industry or largely unregulated with only a pretense of guidelines can be harmful to all, even to the industry itself. But I mostly see our elected official trying to get it back to business as usual. 

You nailed it.  The politicians are turning a blind eye to the corruption because the builders contribute money to them.  Unless this money-politician connection goes away the people are going to keep getting screwed because corporations run the govt.  And we keep having to draw our next elected officials from the same contaminated pool of crooks regardless of which party they're with.  Do away with the means for anyone to buy off our elected officials and the motivation to do what corporate interests want could largely disappear.
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2008, 03:31:48 am »

There's a new topic on HADD's message board. It's located under the topic entitled "EVERYTHING ELSE" and it is entitled "SHODDY CONSTRUCTION and CODE VIOLATIONS". check it out.

http://www.hadd.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=1197#1197

If more people will tell their stories, by creating a (free) blog (see blogspot.com), and calling attention to it, by posting links on websites like HOBB and HADD, and others like it, then something will be done so that your children and grandchildren aren't stuck with the same shoddy construction.

Shoddy construction is the fault of dishonest builders and contractors and local government inspectors who aren't doing their jobs. Politicians react to numbers--if more people tell their stories about shoddy construction publicly, then politicians notice, and change occurs.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

Create your blog. Tell your story of shoddy construction publicly.
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2008, 10:29:32 am »

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Shoddy construction is the fault of dishonest builders and contractors and local government inspectors who aren't doing their jobs. Politicians react to numbers--if more people tell their stories about shoddy construction publicly, then politicians notice, and change occurs.

IMO, that’s not what has been going on in Republican politics. Not praising Dems as the ultimate answer, as I lean more to left than right on many things, but I’m not hard locked on parties anymore.

Overall our current elected group will eventually acknowledge a problem with endless pounding, but will put up a bogus solution that serve the people who caused the problems to begin with, and make it appear they are listening to constituents.

That’s what the TRCC is, as is the housing bill, our energy policy…so on. Sure, it’s the corporate cash that really runs the show now. But researching the issue a long time, it seems that back in the late 60s and 70s the feds really created the pattern of placing a <buy me> button on politicians.

Through the IRS, they cracked down on people who sometimes had great wealth and more political influence than whoever was in office. It wasn’t just about tax evasion, the IRS was/is a weapon. They destroyed people, and so big biz people learned if you want to do business in America you got to pay up. That’s never been more true than today.

We’re also very polarized and divided as a nation now, as well. I think people recognize they are all caught up in schemes and scams no matter what, and there is this enormous sense of disillusion in anybody that pays any attention. people don't know what to believe, and many who are sure they do know are in denial about what's really happening.

Doing nothing is not an option though. I sort of liken the situation to our mold problem. We had five HEPA filters running to filter out the mold, but the house was so contaminated, the filters were just white noise. The contamination had to be removed to begin to fix the problem. Half the problem was understanding the problem that needed to be fixed, sorting past a lot of bad information. I think our government is much the same. But you’re right, only outspoken political will can change anything, and is has to be changed.
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2008, 07:48:21 am »

why don't more victims post on HOBB's and HADD's forums?

most people fall into three categories: clueless, apathetic, and/or dishonest.

1- clueless - no explanation required
2- apathetic - ditto  (government and media colluding with bad builders contributes to this)
3- dishonest - these are people who "have a dog in the fight" - builders, contractors, subcontractors, realtors, etc. also included are those who are victims of shoddy construction but don't want to talk about it because it may impact their being able to unload the shoddy construction on some other poor unsuspecting soul

those in these 3 categories are the vast MAJORITY.

there are a FEW intelligent, honest, brave, non-cynical, and involved people who aren't afraid to make their shoddy construction experiences PUBLIC, but they're relatively VERY few--kind of like the patriots in this country who stuck their necks out against British tyranny during the struggle for our independence. I wonder what these American patriots would think of our country today?
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