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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2007, 07:10:08 am »

The foundation problems with the model home are about 1/4 mile from mine. Along with the house that was not built beyond the basement/flatwork (they knew there were problems) next to mine, that makes 3 houses with existing foundation problems within a small area!

This definitely validates the problems with mine.  However, Pulte would never go to that extent to fix my house. They just wanted to tear out the basement floor, scrape some of the offending soil away, replace it with rocks and some drainage pipes and replace the floor. (we won't talk about all of the other structural problems (buckling foundation walls, split and bent I-joists, bent steel I-beams (yes they are bent) etc. etc).

  Of course based on what they are doing to this UNSOLD model house it is obvious what they wanted to do to mine is a validated band-aid they hope will get past the warranty (cough cough) period.

The day after pictures appeared on my web site about the house, Pulte put up this 8-10 foot fence wrapped in black tarp. Too late though, they remain on my web site. Evidently they read it every day.   Grin

Scroll down almost to the bottom to view more pictures.
http://www.geocities.com/myllamas/CCFL/pulte.htm

I wonder if these pictures will hit the PHM Yahoo finance page?
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2007, 11:28:24 am »

The foundation problems with the model home are about 1/4 mile from mine. Along with the house that was not built beyond the basement/flatwork (they knew there were problems) next to mine, that makes 3 houses with existing foundation problems within a small area!

This definitely validates the problems with mine.  However, Pulte would never go to that extent to fix my house. They just wanted to tear out the basement floor, scrape some of the offending soil away, replace it with rocks and some drainage pipes and replace the floor. (we won't talk about all of the other structural problems (buckling foundation walls, split and bent I-joists, bent steel I-beams (yes they are bent) etc. etc).

  Of course based on what they are doing to this UNSOLD model house it is obvious what they wanted to do to mine is a validated band-aid they hope will get past the warranty (cough cough) period.

The day after pictures appeared on my web site about the house, Pulte put up this 8-10 foot fence wrapped in black tarp. Too late though, they remain on my web site. Evidently they read it every day.   Grin

Scroll down almost to the bottom to view more pictures.
http://www.geocities.com/myllamas/CCFL/pulte.htm

I wonder if these pictures will hit the PHM Yahoo finance page?

all i can say is WOW!  I started this morning reading the page you have set up, and almost right away thought that they did not do a soils tests, and designed the wrong foundation for the conditions of the soils.  Here in colorado in order to get a building permit (in most countied and cities) you are required to have a soils test in order to show that the foundation was properly designed.  I would urge everyone that has a house built to ask for a copy of an approved soils report, even if you dont know what its saying (most will have reccomendations on type of foundation to be used, and depth of penetration if poured conc. caissons are to be used do to poor soils conditions) 
I am a home designer in colorado, and frankly, Situations like the above posted make me sick. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2007, 08:29:47 am »

even more disgusting is I have lost my homeowners insurance. No other company will touch me because the house is getting to the point things could happen. I also tried to get 'forced' insurance through the state and they said the same thing - they can't take the liability.

The only thing I did was buy a house from this cursed builder. They have in writing admitted to shoddy construction and poor workmanship but say it is the fault of the subs and me! unbelievable.  They would probably sell their grandmother and then steal her back.

They continue to tell everyone I won't allow them to conduct the repairs. All they want to do is to scrape off some of the soil, put down rock, some pipe and replace the floor. Oh yes they will replace the broken window in the basement (from pressure), some mudding on a couple of cracks and the stair way. THAT IS ALL.  They say everything else is cosmetic and everything on the living floor is damaged because of me and not having a humidifier.  The structural engineer that made this comment needs to go back to school. I had installed and have the receipt for the humidifer two days after I moved in. What a crock.

They sold the lot next to me. They took out the basement floor so prospective buyers couldn't tell there was heaving.  Do they really think that replacing the floor will take care of that problem?  of course not, but new builders don't have to divulge defects and the people who bought that lot? Well they have foundation problems even before the first board is nailed. this is a travesty and tactics like this ought to land a few people  in jail.  They took that familys earnest deposit and through the sales contract promised them a defect free house and they will not get it.

I have not had a chance to meet them yet, but I am printing off my web site for them. You would have thought they would have talked to me, but pulte has been blowing smoke up everyone's skirts and lying about my house and how bad it really is.

Please people - I LOST my homeowners insurance NO ONE will insure me.  This house has become a liability 


I know though I will get justice, it just takes time.

I apologize I am fired up today.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2007, 12:16:22 pm »

Susan,
I think most of us know by now that blaming the homeowner for the defects is the M.O. of some builders. Those of us that have been dealing with these "disposable housing" issues know these people would not take responsibility if their lives depended on it.
Have you gotten your elected officals involved in any way?
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2007, 07:31:20 am »

Marc,

The city officials are a joke. I tried writing letters and emails and attended the last city council meeting. The reply from them was that it is a civil matter, they have no involvement whatsoever, and never to go to the city council again.  Well since I listen so well, I will be attending the council meeting tonight.

They city knows they are partially responsible for all of this. They are trying to CY their A as much as possible. The city and planning guy and the senior housing inspector are blowing smoke up their skirts. This house should have never been constructed, much less passed inspection or sold.  In addition, Pulte is lying to them in that I have only cracks in my basement walls and I am exaggerating the cirumstances.    The city has knowledge the builder filled in streams, farm ponds, a lake and intermittent streams. The city knows there is a multitude of undergound streams and that when the builder started to dig and build those streams were diverted elsewhere.  They approved the builder to build on this land, etc. etc.. 

I bet the council will be hating life when I walk in tonight. Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2007, 10:08:29 am »

What is really atrocious is that govt employees often have sovereign immunity and get away with far more than a private individual would.  And we all know how hard it really is to hold even private individuals accountable, so another layer of protection for govt workers just makes them all the more confident that they don't have to do their job.  Look into whether or not there is an official procedure to file a claim against the city if you haven't already, (I do not recall if you said).  Sometimes you literally have to get the govt agency's permission to sue them.  Naturally they don't grant it very often.

Marc,

The city officials are a joke. I tried writing letters and emails and attended the last city council meeting. The reply from them was that it is a civil matter, they have no involvement whatsoever, and never to go to the city council again.  Well since I listen so well, I will be attending the council meeting tonight.

They city knows they are partially responsible for all of this. They are trying to CY their A as much as possible. The city and planning guy and the senior housing inspector are blowing smoke up their skirts. This house should have never been constructed, much less passed inspection or sold.  In addition, Pulte is lying to them in that I have only cracks in my basement walls and I am exaggerating the cirumstances.    The city has knowledge the builder filled in streams, farm ponds, a lake and intermittent streams. The city knows there is a multitude of undergound streams and that when the builder started to dig and build those streams were diverted elsewhere.  They approved the builder to build on this land, etc. etc.. 

I bet the council will be hating life when I walk in tonight. Smiley


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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2007, 04:42:19 pm »

I know of another failure of codes enforcement in the KC metro and a city official was the star witness for the homowner to say things were improperly installed!

How can that be? Huh

Now thats the city playing CYA in a big way!
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2007, 06:16:54 am »

Carl,

The city denies any responsibility. However they were the ones that approved the plan, allowed the builder to fill in farm ponds, streams and a lake!  They knew there were underground streams and that they would be diverted once excavation started.   They city was so hungry for money they looked the other way, and are still looking elsewhere. 

I have gone to two city council meetings. Still not one has taken me up on my offer to visit my house. They return no calls nor do they return emails.  The city administrator told me to sit down, shut up and color. He said that I should allow the builder to replace the basement floor and that although it wouldn't provide all of the relief, it would give me some type of relief.  My statement at the council meeting was - to whom does this provide relief the city? the builder? Putting in a new floor is not going to stop the movement beneath the house. In addition how is a new concrete floor going to cure when there is free flowing water one to three feet under the foundation?  It isn't going to do anything for me.

However, I always have said that evil and wicked people are paid back - maybe not now, but some day. - justice will be served and they have a higher power to reckon with.

 The ceiling is now being lifted from the walls in two of the rooms. (where they meet)   How long can I stay in a house like this before it becomes too unsafe? I don't know. I am looking for experts to inspect my house for safety issues.  The air conditioner failed and it was found the joists had squeezed the wires between the thermostat and the furnance into the floor and had rubbed it to bare wire.  I am very fortunate that one of the bare spots shorted out against part of the duct work. The house could have burned down. 
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2007, 01:19:59 pm »

We say that fairly often, that what people did to severely harm others out of greed or whatever, comes back to them somehow. It helps a little sometimes, though one has to know builder execs usually have enough money and political influence to insure they never want for anything.

I also found wiring errors, not from a floating foundation, but from rushed work. One of the wires did burn in the fuse box, but it didn't spread because they followed electrical building codes. When I think back on it, I wish the house had burned down, while we lived in an apartment for over 3 years. But we had Allstate insurance, and that would have been another disaster situation with more loss.

Here we had a statute of limitations that protected the county inspectors after 3 years. Not sure why they get special liability limitations separate from state law. But certainly, if we can have special liability laws to protect special groups, homebuilders could have more appropriate liability laws. Seems on average there's an optional (to the builder) one year warranty. I know people that still buy their house, thinking they may keep it a lifetime, not knowing the builder is going for one passable year. They better live close to a Home Depot, and that they get lucky on repair contractors if they need help.

Is there any way your house could really be fixed? Sounds like it's built on unsuitable land no matter what. Either way I'm impressed how vocal you've been, even getting some national news online. None of it seems to move the builder though, which may be a sad state of affairs. Based on just your story, I would never consider a home from your builder for what should be obvious reasons. Yet people keep on buying. When does it end? 


However, I always have said that evil and wicked people are paid back - maybe not now, but some day. - justice will be served and they have a higher power to reckon with.

 The ceiling is now being lifted from the walls in two of the rooms. (where they meet)   How long can I stay in a house like this before it becomes too unsafe? I don't know. I am looking for experts to inspect my house for safety issues.  The air conditioner failed and it was found the joists had squeezed the wires between the thermostat and the furnance into the floor and had rubbed it to bare wire.  I am very fortunate that one of the bare spots shorted out against part of the duct work. The house could have burned down. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2007, 07:53:27 pm »

Ron,

This house is pretty much unsalvagable.  Not only is the expansive soil moving and continues to expand, there is free flowing water one to three feet below the house.  Every time it rains, it really gets exciting.  There is damage to the trusses and the boards that cover the roof and today I noticed a 'bubble' of sorts on the roof. I have to take a guess it is something coming up. My web site shows pictures, but they don't show how really bad it is.

Even if the builder did what they say and that is scraping off part of the soil and replacing it with gravel and some pvc pipes for drainage and then replace the floor, it is not going to stop what is happening.  Even with this band-aid fix, they don't want to fix much of anything else. The living floor area, they say is due to my not having a humidifer. It is unbelievable a certified, licensed structural engineer actually wrote that in a report.  Every time I give the report out, I make sure I include a copy of the receipt for the humidifer I had installed two days after I moved in.  I filed a complaint against the engineer and of course the board members are fellow engineers and lo and behold they found nothing wrong. gee. 

This house needs to be torn down. In order for me to be able to get insurance reinstated, it has to be proven the house was stabilized and that doesn't mean a new basement floor.

I will not give up. I have a couple more ideas up my sleeve and have been working them.  I have been on television twice, the local paper twice, Money magazine and am pretty well known by the local police and fire department.  They look after Cindy and I because they are afraid something is going to happen to us, or possibly we would break the law.  That isn't going to happen, but our neighbors have done some nasty things. I have had enough of that and the next time, I will dial 911 and have their butts arrested for screwing around with protesters.  The pulte sales men were harassing us for a while, but I guess they found out that we can have their asses arrested too.  Smiley

I would suggest everyone who has an issue with their house regardless of the builder to develop or have developed a web page. It has been  quite successful in getting my story out to the public .

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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2007, 08:05:35 pm »

I would suggest everyone who has an issue with their house regardless of the builder to develop or have developed a web page. It has been  quite successful in getting my story out to the public .


And the sooner the better!
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2007, 06:13:21 am »

Once you have your page up and running, submit it to every search engine you can.  The 'bots' pick it up and insert it into various searches automatically, but that can take a while. Your goal is to be in the top ten 'finds' when you search.

Also, find other web sites and offer to exchange links.  This is easy, but takes time.  Remember even though others may be helping you in your quest YOU have to take the initiative. YOU have to also help yourself.   It pays off in the end. for example, check out http://www.patrick.net  .   Grin

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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2007, 01:17:29 pm »

2,000 + hits and climbing   Grin

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2007, 03:03:16 pm »

Susan,

Your story is intriguing and compelling.  However, you do not address whether you have taken legal action or not.  Have you filed suit against Pulte?  If not, why not? 
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